Lunch with BS: Shital Kakkar Mehra
Business sense and sensibilities
Kanika Datta | New Delhi
January 23, 2015 Last Updated at 22:32 IST
The
prospect of lunch with a certified etiquette and protocol consultant
leaves me so anxious to not be late that I arrive half an hour early at
Diva, celebrity chef Ritu Dalmia's European food restaurant at Greater
Kailash. But Shital Kakkar Mehra, elegant in an aquamarine churidar-kurta,
doesn't look like she would take umbrage if Delhi's awful traffic had
delayed me. Instead of the martinet on manners I nervously expect from
her occasional email homilies (the last one on the art of air kissing)
and a useful book calledBusiness Etiquette: A Guide for the Indian Professional, she turns out to be a relaxed lunch companion, accepting the foibles of Indian behaviour with good-humoured tolerance.
I had been dismayed when she chose Diva since meals there some years ago had not encouraged a return. Happily, this time proved different. After exchanging cards in the correct manner (it's a bit like taking delivery of the Kohinoor), we order asparagus soup followed by, for her, Tagliolini Puttanesca, a spicy dish with handmade spaghetti ("it will beal dente, ma'am," the impossibly urbane waiter warns) and, for me, tenderloin steak (genuine beef, not buffalo, he assures me). She declines wine so I glumly follow the Good Host protocol and double the fresh lime order before asking her how she came to choose such an unusual profession.
Mehra had been living in the US where she enrolled at the Protocol School of Washington, the only Indian to be trained and certified to teach the subject. Protocol consulting, she explains, is a big industry in the West but when she returned to India in the year 2000 she found it tough to get the business going. "Nobody understood it and would call it crazy things like 'etiquettes', grooming, personality development or finishing school. I would meet HR heads and CEOs who would say, 'Oh yes, come and teach but do you want us to pay you?' They thought they were giving me a wonderful platform for my skills!"
I had been dismayed when she chose Diva since meals there some years ago had not encouraged a return. Happily, this time proved different. After exchanging cards in the correct manner (it's a bit like taking delivery of the Kohinoor), we order asparagus soup followed by, for her, Tagliolini Puttanesca, a spicy dish with handmade spaghetti ("it will beal dente, ma'am," the impossibly urbane waiter warns) and, for me, tenderloin steak (genuine beef, not buffalo, he assures me). She declines wine so I glumly follow the Good Host protocol and double the fresh lime order before asking her how she came to choose such an unusual profession.
Mehra had been living in the US where she enrolled at the Protocol School of Washington, the only Indian to be trained and certified to teach the subject. Protocol consulting, she explains, is a big industry in the West but when she returned to India in the year 2000 she found it tough to get the business going. "Nobody understood it and would call it crazy things like 'etiquettes', grooming, personality development or finishing school. I would meet HR heads and CEOs who would say, 'Oh yes, come and teach but do you want us to pay you?' They thought they were giving me a wonderful platform for my skills!"
In
2004, however, she found herself in the right place at the right time.
First, the multinational presence in India had expanded considerably and
the introduction of matrix reporting meant Indian executives had to
interact with foreign bosses and travel overseas more often. Second,
large Indian multinationals such as Tata, Aditya Birla or Mahindra
started acquiring foreign firms so their own M&A teams had to travel
overseas. "When you are sending people overseas, they are your brand
ambassadors. You want them to dress well. Then, more than 50 per cent of
business is done over breakfast, lunch or dinner so meal etiquette
becomes an essential career skill. Suddenly, a need was created for this
business," she laughs.
More
so because the expanding Indian economy meant that recruitment extended
beyond the elite westernised class - "the old boys' club" of people
from families in the armed forces, or those who went to prestigious
boarding schools or whose fathers worked in the corporate world. "Today,
the good news is that there are 300 million middle-class Indians who
come from small towns and local-language schools, are extremely
intelligent and progressive, have a lot of fire in the belly and are
open to learning new skills."
As we discuss the nature of her work, two amuse-bouches, pumpkin and water chestnut tarts, are served, so minuscule it is impossible to get a sense of their taste. Apart from customised workshops, she also offers one-on-one coaching for CEOs and directors. What kind of etiquette advice do such senior people need? All sorts, it turns out, from learning about wines, cross-cultural behaviour, body language, presentation skills…."The problem is that it's very lonely at the top, so everybody tells them they're very good. It's my - dirty! - job to tell them what's wrong with them."
As we discuss the nature of her work, two amuse-bouches, pumpkin and water chestnut tarts, are served, so minuscule it is impossible to get a sense of their taste. Apart from customised workshops, she also offers one-on-one coaching for CEOs and directors. What kind of etiquette advice do such senior people need? All sorts, it turns out, from learning about wines, cross-cultural behaviour, body language, presentation skills…."The problem is that it's very lonely at the top, so everybody tells them they're very good. It's my - dirty! - job to tell them what's wrong with them."
Having
trained over 13,000 executives she itemises four major needs for Indian
executives. The biggest is written and spoken communication, skills our
school system doesn't teach. "Remember that ridiculous 10-mark letter
and 15-mark essay? Your English teacher told you these are the options,
so you made your cheat-sheets and just mugged up things," she says as
the soup is served. "Then, schools tend to identify the four or five
extroverts in class early and for the next 12 years they alone
participate in dramatics, debate and elocution. The remaining students
provide the free audience."
The
soup is both robust and delicately flavoured so I can honestly tell
Dalmia, who walks up to enquire, that it is splendid. Back to our
conversation, I ask Mehra whether deteriorating standards of English
play a part in poor communication skills. Not really, she replies,
"Let's agree that there's an Indian way of speaking English, chalo,
but putting thoughts into words is a skill that has not been taught, so
we write shoddy emails or communicate poorly in teleconferences." Then,
Indians also tend to speak English very fast, so the rest of the world
struggles to understand.
When the main course arrives, the steak, medium rare as ordered, is so succulent that I take a few reverential seconds of silence to savour it and the aromatic mash potato - just as Mehra tells me the Indian executive's next biggest need is dining skills. "We are very scared to communicate over a meal. We are so focused on managing our knives and forks that we won't focus on the conversation."
When the main course arrives, the steak, medium rare as ordered, is so succulent that I take a few reverential seconds of silence to savour it and the aromatic mash potato - just as Mehra tells me the Indian executive's next biggest need is dining skills. "We are very scared to communicate over a meal. We are so focused on managing our knives and forks that we won't focus on the conversation."
And
finally, she says, is Indians' innate inability to say no. She actually
had to teach people this, I ask incredulously. "In our culture 'no' is a
negative word," she explains, "so most of us say yes to something and
then simply don't do it. So bosses around the world get very upset when
they, say, expect a report at 9 am and it arrives some hours later."
The
weirdest advice she has offered, however, involved none of the above.
"One guy who came for one-on-one coaching took my card and casually used
it as dental floss. I told him not to do this - ever!" Some people also
have to be urgently counselled on wardrobe choices. "People will spend
$1,500 on a suit and when I look at the colour, it's, like, chocolate
brown or purple and I have to advise them to give it away to charity."
In the main, she says, though Indian women have upped their grooming standards significantly, men haven't. She thinks it's our mindset. "I have to explain that clothes are an investment; the corporate world is like the world of acting. If you want the part you must look it. I often tell clients that if they align themselves to the role models in their industry, their chances of success are higher. After all, look at the top 50 people in the leading companies - they are clones of each other."
My guest has hardly eaten, so I give her a chance to catch up by telling her about a visit to the New York Stock Exchange (NYSE). Now, NYSE requires everyone, including visitors, to wear jackets, something I found odd. She, however, understands. "Financial services is a good example. The minute you handle other people's money, formality builds trust. I also get lots of young entrepreneurs coming to me, the kind with private equity backing, and they take great pride in being hip and happening. They say, look at Mark Zuckerberg or Steve Jobs. I tell them, when you are geniuses like them, you can wear what you like. Anyway, even Zuckerberg showed up in a fancy $4,000-suit when he went to meet President Obama."
Mehra also trains foreign executives, mostly to help them understand Indian behaviour. Their main pain points? Punctuality, she says, and tells me an amusing story of a Japanese CEO who arrived on the dot for a north Indian wedding that, true to form, started two and a half hours later. The other is the lack of RSVP to invitations. "In our culture, it's okay to say I'll try to come to a party, which means a 50 per cent chance of non-attendance. But this indirect communication irritates foreigners, so one of my jobs is to help them understand this."
The subject of social behaviour is so fascinating that it keeps us chatting for nearly two and a half hours. As we end our meal with black coffee for her and herbal tea for me, I can't help thinking Diva would be a great place for Mehra, ever friendly and non-judgemental, to teach the art of fine dining.
In the main, she says, though Indian women have upped their grooming standards significantly, men haven't. She thinks it's our mindset. "I have to explain that clothes are an investment; the corporate world is like the world of acting. If you want the part you must look it. I often tell clients that if they align themselves to the role models in their industry, their chances of success are higher. After all, look at the top 50 people in the leading companies - they are clones of each other."
My guest has hardly eaten, so I give her a chance to catch up by telling her about a visit to the New York Stock Exchange (NYSE). Now, NYSE requires everyone, including visitors, to wear jackets, something I found odd. She, however, understands. "Financial services is a good example. The minute you handle other people's money, formality builds trust. I also get lots of young entrepreneurs coming to me, the kind with private equity backing, and they take great pride in being hip and happening. They say, look at Mark Zuckerberg or Steve Jobs. I tell them, when you are geniuses like them, you can wear what you like. Anyway, even Zuckerberg showed up in a fancy $4,000-suit when he went to meet President Obama."
Mehra also trains foreign executives, mostly to help them understand Indian behaviour. Their main pain points? Punctuality, she says, and tells me an amusing story of a Japanese CEO who arrived on the dot for a north Indian wedding that, true to form, started two and a half hours later. The other is the lack of RSVP to invitations. "In our culture, it's okay to say I'll try to come to a party, which means a 50 per cent chance of non-attendance. But this indirect communication irritates foreigners, so one of my jobs is to help them understand this."
The subject of social behaviour is so fascinating that it keeps us chatting for nearly two and a half hours. As we end our meal with black coffee for her and herbal tea for me, I can't help thinking Diva would be a great place for Mehra, ever friendly and non-judgemental, to teach the art of fine dining.
The
subject of social behaviour is so fascinating that it keeps us chatting
for nearly two and a half hours. As we end our meal with black coffee
for her and herbal tea for me, I can't help thinking Diva would be a
great place for Mehra, ever friendly and non-judgemental, to teach the
art of fine dining.
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